MMR Vaccine!

[BabyLove08]

Ok we are scheduled to get this come the 1st week of april and I'm FREAKING OUT!!!! I've heard such horror stories of adverse reactions and i'm not just talking autism, but DEATH!!!! I need someone to ease my fears!!! Have you got the MMR vaccine? Did your little one have a reaction? fever? seizure? learning delay?please tell me i want to know what i'm getting into! thanks :support:

[BabyLove08]

*i wanted to add that i'm not trying to debate what is right and what is wrong! i'm just looking for people who have gone through this experience already!

Also i was wondering if any of you did the MMR vaccine but did it in seperate shots? so they don't get 3 live viruses all at the same time?

[NathanielsMomma]

I had the MMR vaccine when I was in middle school. I am perfectly fine and did not have any issues with them.

[PinkPaisley]

both kids got them and they are perfectly fine maybe just a little sore on the spot but that was it.

[Farah]

There's nothing wrong with the MMR vaccine. The scientists that put out the study that claimed the MMR vaccine was linked to autism recently retracted their study saying there were experimental flaws that they had not noticed before. Charlie had his and was fine :)

[PinkPaisley]

i saw on a program a while back that the person that started all this was working for a company (I don't really remember how it went but it was kind of he was paid to find something.)

[BabyLove08]

well i'm feeling a little better so thank u :support:

I did a big no no and went to this site http://www.thinktwice.com/mmr.htm b/c one of my friends posted an article from there! Boy was that stupid!!!! Now i'm second guessing everything and i'm just terrified for him to get the damn shot!!!

[AddiesMomma]

Addie got hers and nothing changed.

[Farah]

Keep in mind that there are biased articles and information to everything. You can't trust everything on the internet and clearly that site is a very very biased site.

[BabyLove08]

Keep in mind that there are biased articles and information to everything. You can't trust everything on the internet and clearly that site is a very very biased site.


yeah that's why i knew it was a big NO NO to go visit! :hehe: why didn't i listen to my gut :rolleyes:

[Farah]

Because it's too easy to click :hehe:

[lilbunnygirl]

Cash got the MMR without my knowledge or permission at 15 months, I was lied to and told it was only the measles shot. He had a fever and a rash for 4 days. My regular pediatrician (not the office that gave him the shot) said it was a common reaction to the MMR but was surprised that Cash was so sensitive to just have that reaction to the measles shot. I didn't find out for 6 months what had happened, I just thank God his reaction wasn't worse.

The best thing to do is just do your homework, read reputable info, and make up your mind what is best for you.

[Jojo]

Keep in mind that there are biased articles and information to everything. You can't trust everything on the internet and clearly that site is a very very biased site.

:ditto:

That's like me always googling!

Both boys I watched got theirs and they are perfectly fine as are a bunch of other kids I watched. I got mine and I'm pretty darn fine too ;)

Matt will be getting his no questions asked!

[Goosey]

No reactions at all. None of the three.

[Mommax3]

All 3 of the kids have had it, as well as myself and none of us have ever had any problems.

On a side note about vacs though. When we took Maddy in for her last check up we noticed that our group of docs had put signs up in the office stating the reasons that they believe it is important to vax. And also informing parents that if they choose to delay or opt out of any shots that the office would be "happy to help you find a new pediatrician". Now, all my kids have gotten their shots as recommended but I found it kind of nasty to tell parents if they chose otherwise that they would no longer see the child. Seems like blackmail

[Bootysaurus]

OMG. I am in the same boat. Aidan is finally getting her first dose and she'll be 17 months! (this month she's getting them :( )

I wonder if she can ONLY get the MMR and NOTHING else? I don't want the hepB or anything else.

I, too, am FREAKING OUT :hiding:

[lilbunnygirl]

OMG. I am in the same boat. Aidan is finally getting her first dose and she'll be 17 months! (this month she's getting them :( )

I wonder if she can ONLY get the MMR and NOTHING else? I don't want the hepB or anything else.

I, too, am FREAKING OUT :hiding:

If your doctor won't space them out, consider a different doctor! My doctor says it's not necessary to do them one at a time, but is willing to spend time talking with me about each vaccine and if I want to do them 1 month apart instead of at the same time (which I always do, in case he has a bad reaction to something, that way I will know what he's reacting to) he is willing to do that for me. I appreciate that he respects my feelings about what's best for my child, even if he personally thinks it is unnecessary.

I am all for vaccinating one's children, I just feel more comfortable getting one shot at a time.

[Bootysaurus]

I just decided I'm going to keep her appointment this month but NOT to get vaccines...just to talk to the doctor and write up a plan that I'm comfortable with. I don't like just going and letting them shoot my kid up with crap.

I will say, that I am MORE comfortable with waiting for ANY more shots until she is 2. Then we'll go from there.

[lilbunnygirl]

I just decided I'm going to keep her appointment this month but NOT to get vaccines...just to talk to the doctor and write up a plan that I'm comfortable with. I don't like just going and letting them shoot my kid up with crap.

I will say, that I am MORE comfortable with waiting for ANY more shots until she is 2. Then we'll go from there.

I'm with you, 100%. I think it's a good idea to make a schedule that YOU feel good about & make sure your doctor supports you in your choice. Cash is all caught up now, except for chicken pox, which I am going to do this summer since he needs it before he starts pre-school.

This book was really helpful to me in planning what to get when & what are important things to know about each vaccine. It's NOT an anti-vax book, it's just about educating yourself, I have really been glad to have it for reference.

http://www.amazon.com/Doctor-About-Childrens-Vaccinations-ebook/dp/B001I3BQUQ

[Elaine]

I just decided I'm going to keep her appointment this month but NOT to get vaccines...just to talk to the doctor and write up a plan that I'm comfortable with. I don't like just going and letting them shoot my kid up with crap.

I will say, that I am MORE comfortable with waiting for ANY more shots until she is 2. Then we'll go from there.
Ben had all of his on schedule except for the chickenpox vacc and I don't plan on him ever getting it. Oh, and he didn't have any reactions to the shots.

We're planning on waiting until this baby is a year old to start their shots. I was talking to my sister and BIL about vacc's one day and they were the ones that brought up waiting until kids are older to give them their shots. It really surprised me. Definitely not what I expected from them.

[Jojo]

All 3 of the kids have had it, as well as myself and none of us have ever had any problems.

On a side note about vacs though. When we took Maddy in for her last check up we noticed that our group of docs had put signs up in the office stating the reasons that they believe it is important to vax. And also informing parents that if they choose to delay or opt out of any shots that the office would be "happy to help you find a new pediatrician". Now, all my kids have gotten their shots as recommended but I found it kind of nasty to tell parents if they chose otherwise that they would no longer see the child. Seems like blackmail


Our pedi states this even before you sign up with them. I agree wholeheartedly which is why I stayed with them. They will delay but the shots have to be up to date by 12 or 13 months (I can't remember)

[Goosey]

I should mention that Devinn didnt have his til he was 2. He was caught up til 9mths then everything after that he got at 2 because we didnt have a pediatrician and no money to fund the shots ourselves.
When we got state help in December part of their requirement was for us to get them caught up on shots or they'd take the help away(which they did anyway but thats another story)so we went to the state health clinic and they did it there. He had no issues(as I said before).
So he didnt have it on schedule but the other two boys did.

[Mommax3]

All 3 of the kids have had it, as well as myself and none of us have ever had any problems.

On a side note about vacs though. When we took Maddy in for her last check up we noticed that our group of docs had put signs up in the office stating the reasons that they believe it is important to vax. And also informing parents that if they choose to delay or opt out of any shots that the office would be "happy to help you find a new pediatrician". Now, all my kids have gotten their shots as recommended but I found it kind of nasty to tell parents if they chose otherwise that they would no longer see the child. Seems like blackmail


Our pedi states this even before you sign up with them. I agree wholeheartedly which is why I stayed with them. They will delay but the shots have to be up to date by 12 or 13 months (I can't remember)

I think what gets me about this Jo is that it is something that they have recently put into affect. So, the parents that have babies that have been delaying or choosing not to vax suddenly either do what the pedi wants or find another dr. So the choice that they made initially that the dr agreed to now means nothing. Like I said, it doesn't matter to us, but seems crappy for the parents that have been delaying etc. Also some of the parents are like us, have children quite a bit older and those children have been with that pedi since birth, and now with a new baby and the parents views have changed if they don't go along with the dr the whole family is transferred out to a different practice. I just feel like if this is the way the office wanted it, then it should have always been that way

[Mama Sandy]

All 3 of the kids have had it, as well as myself and none of us have ever had any problems.

On a side note about vacs though. When we took Maddy in for her last check up we noticed that our group of docs had put signs up in the office stating the reasons that they believe it is important to vax. And also informing parents that if they choose to delay or opt out of any shots that the office would be "happy to help you find a new pediatrician". Now, all my kids have gotten their shots as recommended but I found it kind of nasty to tell parents if they chose otherwise that they would no longer see the child. Seems like blackmail

I don't see it that way. I think that what they are saying is that they believe one way (pro-vaxing) because they have scientific evidence that makes them have that opinion and if you as a parent don't feel that way maybe you'd be better suited with a more like-minded pediatrician. I personally wouldn't delay or not vaccinate my kids and that is just MY personal choice. BUT, because that is my choice/belief I would not go to a pediatrician that believed in delayed vaxing; it just wouldn't be a good fit, kwim?

All of my kids have/had the MMR and all have been fine. They did ALL run a slight fever afterwards but nothing Tylenon/Motrin couldn't control. No rashes, seizures or any of that scary stuff and honestly, they usually run fevers after ANY injections!

[Jojo]

All 3 of the kids have had it, as well as myself and none of us have ever had any problems.

On a side note about vacs though. When we took Maddy in for her last check up we noticed that our group of docs had put signs up in the office stating the reasons that they believe it is important to vax. And also informing parents that if they choose to delay or opt out of any shots that the office would be "happy to help you find a new pediatrician". Now, all my kids have gotten their shots as recommended but I found it kind of nasty to tell parents if they chose otherwise that they would no longer see the child. Seems like blackmail


Our pedi states this even before you sign up with them. I agree wholeheartedly which is why I stayed with them. They will delay but the shots have to be up to date by 12 or 13 months (I can't remember)

I think what gets me about this Jo is that it is something that they have recently put into affect. So, the parents that have babies that have been delaying or choosing not to vax suddenly either do what the pedi wants or find another dr. So the choice that they made initially that the dr agreed to now means nothing. Like I said, it doesn't matter to us, but seems crappy for the parents that have been delaying etc. Also some of the parents are like us, have children quite a bit older and those children have been with that pedi since birth, and now with a new baby and the parents views have changed if they don't go along with the dr the whole family is transferred out to a different practice. I just feel like if this is the way the office wanted it, then it should have always been that way

I can see your point. :)

[Bootysaurus]

I don't think doctors should be able to say who comes to them. I didn't realize this was a socialist country. Mah bad. :hehe: And having to be caught up by 12 or 13 months isn't delayed :hehe: :rolleyes:

[Jojo]

Well they state this BEFORE you join their practice. I like it and apparently so do a bajillion other parents. You have a right to go somewhere else. There are millions of pedi's out there. Sucks for you if you like someone in the practice though ;)

[lilbunnygirl]

I would definitely want to know before I started seeing a doctor that they don't respect my beliefs on what is best for my child, so I think signs like that are a great idea.

[Salvigirl]

This is my personal opinion but I don't worry too much about any ONE shot but rather the total combination of shots they are giving these days. I think the "mixtures" and "cocktails" of vaccinations are what "may" cause problems. That along with I also believe there are just more things "reported" these days...and not so much in the 70's when I got my shots.

If you have concerns, do the research and go with your gut and don't let anyone try to persuade you to do something you don't feel comfortable with. I have chosen to delay certain vaccinations for DS but MMR was one that we chose to do since it has been around for a long time...although changed a bit in the late 80's. There is also another version of MMR which is MMRV and that includes Varicella as well...this is where I start getting uncomfortable because there is just too much mixing going on. We did not get DS Varicella since he is not in daycare and both DH and I had Chicken Pox...but again, that is a choice only you and your husband can make.

Here is something that I found helpful in making my decisions...http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/default.htm
They are factual and supply information on what you shouldn't get with what and how long you should wait before getting a vac after a previous one....bla bla bla...:lol: But again, they are factual and helped us in making our own decisions. You HAVE TO stay off of the internet and "opinion" sites or you will go CRAZY!

Oh yea....Neither DS or myself had any issues with the MMR shot...no reactions of any kind!

[BabyLove08]

thank you for all the responses girls!!!:support: I'm feeling better about the whole situation but it still sinks!! :hehe:

[Elaine]

This is my personal opinion but I don't worry too much about any ONE shot but rather the total combination of shots they are giving these days. I think the "mixtures" and "cocktails" of vaccinations are what "may" cause problems. That along with I also believe there are just more things "reported" these days...and not so much in the 70's when I got my shots.

If you have concerns, do the research and go with your gut and don't let anyone try to persuade you to do something you don't feel comfortable with. I have chosen to delay certain vaccinations for DS but MMR was one that we chose to do since it has been around for a long time...although changed a bit in the late 80's. There is also another version of MMR which is MMRV and that includes Varicella as well...this is where I start getting uncomfortable because there is just too much mixing going on. We did not get DS Varicella since he is not in daycare and both DH and I had Chicken Pox...but again, that is a choice only you and your husband can make.

Here is something that I found helpful in making my decisions...http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/default.htm
They are factual and supply information on what you shouldn't get with what and how long you should wait before getting a vac after a previous one....bla bla bla...:lol: But again, they are factual and helped us in making our own decisions. You HAVE TO stay off of the internet and "opinion" sites or you will go CRAZY!

Oh yea....Neither DS or myself had any issues with the MMR shot...no reactions of any kind!
That's pretty much how I feel and that's why we're going to delay this baby's vaccines. Too much in such a small body makes me uncomfortable. Once baby is older they'll have their full schedule.

I have to admit that I'd be pissed if my doctor suddenly decided that we had to follow the schedule or find another doctor. She's been my doctor since I was a teenager and I love her to pieces. I was terrified she was going to retire before we had a second and we'd have to go somewhere else.

It's one thing knowing before you go in but when you're current doctor suddenly makes such a statement it would piss me off.

[NathanielsMomma]

Nathaniel is up to date on all his shots *so I am sure he's had his MMR* the only thing that our peds say to do to help with the possibly fever/rash that may show, is before they go to bed the night before shots, give them a dose of tylenol. Nathaniel has never had any reaction to any of his shots, and has always done really good with them. :hula:

[Bootysaurus]

Well, in CA, with insurance, you are assigned a doctor and group. If the doctor I was assigned to didn't accept my parenting, I'd be livid. I could pick another doctor, but I couldn't see the doctor that day...it would take a month.

[Farah]

Well, in CA, with insurance, you are assigned a doctor and group. If the doctor I was assigned to didn't accept my parenting, I'd be livid. I could pick another doctor, but I couldn't see the doctor that day...it would take a month.
What type of insurance is that?? I never had that problem with my insurance when I lived out there.

[Bootysaurus]

Any insurance I've had through LAUSD. You don't get to choose your doctor...unless it's in their plan. We have to change Henry's because they assigned him to a doctor downtown. Lame. Hm, maybe I should have said LAUSD insurance does this...not CA. :hehe:

When we switched Aidan to Dylan and my group, they said it would take a month before she could be seen there. :rant: After an HOUR of ranting and yelling at them (she needed her 2 week checkup) they FINALLY obliged.

When Dylan was a baby, I had health care and if she was with her dad (who didn't have health care...and he lived over an hour away) if he had to take her to the doctor, he had to drive up to our doctor (he couldn't take her to a doctor that took my insurance near him, or a clinic.) Once, he had her for a week and I switched her group to a group near him. I forgot to switch it back so when she needed to be seen at the clinic, they wouldn't accept the insurance until I called and yelled and screamed (because again they said it would take a month) and got her switched back to the group near me.

Lame.

I have Healthnet. Used to be Pacificare. Used to be Blue Shield. (District constantly changes...thank god I can keep the UCLA group.)

*not that I'm complaining about that. Whatever. It is what it is. But I'd be plenty irritated if I made an appointment, waited the month to be seen, and then was told they wouldn't "treat" my child because I am delaying her vaxes.

[Jojo]

Any insurance I've had through LAUSD. You don't get to choose your doctor...unless it's in their plan. We have to change Henry's because they assigned him to a doctor downtown. Lame. Hm, maybe I should have said LAUSD insurance does this...not CA. :hehe:

When we switched Aidan to Dylan and my group, they said it would take a month before she could be seen there. :rant: After an HOUR of ranting and yelling at them (she needed her 2 week checkup) they FINALLY obliged.

When Dylan was a baby, I had health care and if she was with her dad (who didn't have health care...and he lived over an hour away) if he had to take her to the doctor, he had to drive up to our doctor (he couldn't take her to a doctor that took my insurance near him, or a clinic.) Once, he had her for a week and I switched her group to a group near him. I forgot to switch it back so when she needed to be seen at the clinic, they wouldn't accept the insurance until I called and yelled and screamed (because again they said it would take a month) and got her switched back to the group near me.

Lame.

I have Healthnet. Used to be Pacificare. Used to be Blue Shield. (District constantly changes...thank god I can keep the UCLA group.)

*not that I'm complaining about that. Whatever. It is what it is. But I'd be plenty irritated if I made an appointment, waited the month to be seen, and then was told they wouldn't "treat" my child because I am delaying her vaxes.

OMG!! My sister has healthnet and HATES it. :bluehug:

[Bootysaurus]

I probably would hate it if I couldn't keep our doctors. But...it's the same coverage as we had before (LAUSD got rid of many insurances). So...whatever. It works.

[Cali Mama]

Shots are kind of an iffy subject for me. On one hand I'm a soon-to-be nurse who knows all the reasons kids should get their vaccinations but on the other hand I have a 4 year old daughter who was once thought to be on the autistic spectrum because she had a severe speech delay along with some other mild developmental delays. When we were told Sierra may be on the autistic spectrum, we tried to pinpoint when her development started to become stagnant and unfortunately it was shortly after she received her MMR vaccine. DH and I believe that autism is caused by a mix of genetic predisposition as well as environmental factors. The problem is that no one really knows what these environmental causes are. Sierra is doing great now though and she's grown out of mostly all of the "red flag" symptoms she once exhibited with the help of God, DH and I, and early intervention. She is very social, she interacts with others and cares about their feelings, she plays with her sister, she knows how to read and spell, and SHE TALKS!!! She speaks in full sentences now and just a year ago she wasn't even close to doing that. We are still working on the clarity of her words with speech therapy but most of what she says can be understood by others.

Because we've had issues with our oldest child, our other children will be getting delayed vaccinations and we will continue to refuse some until their speech has been established. At Layla's 12 month visit, we refused the MMR and chickenpox vaccines and delayed the pneumococcal vaccine until she has her 15 month visit.

Bottom line is this: do what you think is best for your child. No one has the right to force their opinion on you, including your doctor. Just like the ladies mentioned before, there are PLENTY of doctors out there who will respect your wishes regarding what type of care you want for your child. Best wishes in your research.

PS - I work with doctors and they DON'T know everything. A doctor I worked with this past week nearly killed a patient because he didn't know what the heck he was doing!

[Elaine]

DH and I believe that autism is caused by a mix of genetic predisposition as well as environmental factors.
It's interesting you say that being a nurse. My nephew has autism and the genetic disposition is one of the things my sister and BIL talked about often. He's a urologist and she's an RN. When they look at the number of people in their area of work who have kids with some form of autism it's astounding. It takes a certain type of person to be a doctor or a nurse and both my sis and BIL (along with many of their colleagues) are convinced that that personality type is one that has the potential to breed autism (on any level of the spectrum).

[lilbunnygirl]

Bottom line is this: do what you think is best for your child. No one has the right to force their opinion on you, including your doctor. Just like the ladies mentioned before, there are PLENTY of doctors out there who will respect your wishes regarding what type of care you want for your child.

AMEN!!!!

[Cali Mama]

DH and I believe that autism is caused by a mix of genetic predisposition as well as environmental factors.
It's interesting you say that being a nurse. My nephew has autism and the genetic disposition is one of the things my sister and BIL talked about often. He's a urologist and she's an RN. When they look at the number of people in their area of work who have kids with some form of autism it's astounding. It takes a certain type of person to be a doctor or a nurse and both my sis and BIL (along with many of their colleagues) are convinced that that personality type is one that has the potential to breed autism (on any level of the spectrum).

DH and I talked about the same thing. I think the personalities of the parents have something to do with the tendency to develop autism. DH and I both are pretty serious people (I more than he) and we both are pretty much introverts. This fact alone or coupled with environmental factors could very well be the reason we had issues with Sierra. I'm really interested in this subject and want to work as a nurse with the MIND institute here in my area. The MIND institute is like the nation's leading research facility dedicated to autism. It's a part of University of California, Davis. I would love to do what I can to help the cause.

[Bootysaurus]

I am not so sure. My friend and her husband were VERY outgoing and personable and their 3 year old son has severe autism...the only one of their 4 children.

[Farah]

Biologically, I think almost everything such as auto immune diseases, mental illness, and other issues, such as autism, all have a genetic AND environmental factor to them. Sure both parents may not display anything resembling the disease, but they may be carriers and given the proper environmental triggers it can set anything off. It's basic Mendelian genetics combined with other environmental and hormonal factors.

Here's an example....No one in my family has any auto immune diseases that we know of. I have lupus. They believe there to be a genetic predisposition, but how if my family has nothing indicating it?? Well, I was always a sickly kid with other diseases (severe asthma, anatomical issues, etc) and my bet is that with one of those it triggered my immune system to go crazy and start attacking my own body, therefore triggering my lupus to become activated.

Autism and other issues are very similar to that (bipolar and schizophrenia are two that have this same issue) and both typically are triggered by some sort of environmental factor. It's like a seed...... Everything is inside you, all it needs is water and the proper outside factors (notice it's not just ONE thing) to encourage it grow.



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[Bootysaurus]

I'll agree with that. :hehe:

[Jane99]

T and R have had the MMR. L is on a delayed schedule and hasn't had it yet. That being said, T is the only one who experience any delays or learning disabilities. Recently, his doctor gave us an autism questionnaire and it did raise some red flags. We're waiting until we move to further seek out second opinions. All of that being said, T followed the recommended vaccine schedule from birth. R was on a delayed/selective schedule. Does this have anything to do with each other? I'm not sure. It certainly makes me question things and try to investigate more. In the end, it comes down to gut feelings after educating myself on all of the risks. I'd recommend reading the book by Dr. Sears. Do research of your own and really educate yourself and then decide what's right for you. :)

[Elaine]

DH and I talked about the same thing. I think the personalities of the parents have something to do with the tendency to develop autism. DH and I both are pretty serious people (I more than he) and we both are pretty much introverts. This fact alone or coupled with environmental factors could very well be the reason we had issues with Sierra. I'm really interested in this subject and want to work as a nurse with the MIND institute here in my area. The MIND institute is like the nation's leading research facility dedicated to autism. It's a part of University of California, Davis. I would love to do what I can to help the cause.
I don't know *a lot* about autism but in my nephew's 20 years alive I've learned quite a bit about it. It's a fascinating disease, to be honest. He's also developmentally delayed so that adds to his issues but I think he's what's considered high functioning.

One thing we've talked about is when we all started to notice signs that something wasn't quite right with him and looking back my sister can remember things from long before he had the MMR shot.

[Bootysaurus]

Rebekah, from what I've seen of Trent, he is an awesomely bright little boy :love: And boy can he make Aidan laugh!!:hehe:

[Bootysaurus]

One thing we've talked about is when we all started to notice signs that something wasn't quite right with him and looking back my sister can remember things from long before he had the MMR shot.

Yes. My friend with the autistic little cutie said the SAME thing. She said he was different than her other 3 from day one.

[Jane99]

Yeah, we will get a second opinion.

[Jojo]

Biologically, I think almost everything such as auto immune diseases, mental illness, and other issues, such as autism, all have a genetic AND environmental factor to them. Sure both parents may not display anything resembling the disease, but they may be carriers and given the proper environmental triggers it can set anything off. It's basic Mendelian genetics combined with other environmental and hormonal factors.

Here's an example....No one in my family has any auto immune diseases that we know of. I have lupus. They believe there to be a genetic predisposition, but how if my family has nothing indicating it?? Well, I was always a sickly kid with other diseases (severe asthma, anatomical issues, etc) and my bet is that with one of those it triggered my immune system to go crazy and start attacking my own body, therefore triggering my lupus to become activated.

Autism and other issues are very similar to that (bipolar and schizophrenia are two that have this same issue) and both typically are triggered by some sort of environmental factor. It's like a seed...... Everything is inside you, all it needs is water and the proper outside factors (notice it's not just ONE thing) to encourage it grow.



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Totally agree with this!!

[Elaine]

Another thing to consider is that more and more variations of autism have been discovered in the last decade expanding the syndromes in the spectrum so it makes sense that more and more people are being diagnosed with it.

Canada stopped using thimerosal in vaccines (except for the flu shot) in the early 90's and yet the cases of autism are on the rise so using thimerosal as a cause doesn't work anymore.

[Jojo]

Another thing to consider is that more and more variations of autism have been discovered in the last decade expanding the syndromes in the spectrum so it makes sense that more and more people are being diagnosed with it.

Canada stopped using thimerosal in vaccines (except for the flu shot) in the early 90's and yet the cases of autism are on the rise so using thimerosal as a cause doesn't work anymore.


I guess people have to blame it on something, right?

[BabyLove08]

Biologically, I think almost everything such as auto immune diseases, mental illness, and other issues, such as autism, all have a genetic AND environmental factor to them. Sure both parents may not display anything resembling the disease, but they may be carriers and given the proper environmental triggers it can set anything off. It's basic Mendelian genetics combined with other environmental and hormonal factors.

Here's an example....No one in my family has any auto immune diseases that we know of. I have lupus. They believe there to be a genetic predisposition, but how if my family has nothing indicating it?? Well, I was always a sickly kid with other diseases (severe asthma, anatomical issues, etc) and my bet is that with one of those it triggered my immune system to go crazy and start attacking my own body, therefore triggering my lupus to become activated.

Autism and other issues are very similar to that (bipolar and schizophrenia are two that have this same issue) and both typically are triggered by some sort of environmental factor. It's like a seed...... Everything is inside you, all it needs is water and the proper outside factors (notice it's not just ONE thing) to encourage it grow.



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Totally agree with this!!

:ditto: I agree something triggers it!

[Bootysaurus]

I think that autism diagnosis is on the rise because what used to be called mental retardation is now being called autism.

I don't think any ONE thing causes it...I just wanted to delay Aidan's shots just to see how she developed without anything more in her system.

[Cali Mama]

I just wanted to add that I LOVE how we can talk about this without anyone starting an argument! :thumb2:

[Bootysaurus]

I think because we're all pretty secure in our choices :D

[Jojo]

well because we all freakin rock :rockon:

[Elaine]

I just wanted to add that I LOVE how we can talk about this without anyone starting an argument! :thumb2:
:twothumbs:

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

I've delayed all of Isabella's shots except for 3 (DTaP & HIB, Prevnar- no Hep B at birth or anything else). I've done my research (a lot of it) and I am very lucky to have a pediatrician who used an alternative schedule.

There is a lot of information on BOTH sides regarding the MMR. You've got to read the good and the bad and make your choices based on that. My favorite book is by far Dr. Sears Vaccine book. It's really neutral and just lays out all the facts straight. My husband drives me crazy because he's the type of person who will argue points with me and hates when I send him articles because he says they're always too "one sided"... so he always has to research both sides... but he really liked that book for that very reason.

Anyway in saying that, we won't be getting the MMR, at both the suggestion of her pediatrician AND based on our research.

This is the schedule we are following (with one exception, I'll get to that in a minute...)

Age Recommended Shots
2 months DTaP
3 months HIB, Prevnar
4 months DTaP
5 months HIB, Prevnar
6 months DTaP
7 months HIB, Prevnar
12 months HIB, Prevnar
18 Months Polio*
5 years Tetanus Booster
10 years Blood tests for measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox and Hep immunity. Consider vaccinating if not immune. Also consider a 3-dose polio series if travel to Africa or Asia is a possibility.
12 years Hep B (3 doses)

So the only thing we disagree on is Polio. They suggest it and we are not comfortable with it. So I will be declining. This is the first time I haven't agreed so we'll see how it goes. Though I would imagine since they already do a modified vaccination schedule that it will not be a problem.

In saying all that, do your research and go with your gut feeling. Research BOTH sides and draw a conclusion from that. Maybe that means you're not comfortable enough with giving it to him, or maybe that means you think it is ok. But it's your decision.

And remember, you can refuse it, or ask to have it done later. A good option is to hold off, test for immunity and then consider the vaccination based on the tests.

Good luck with whatever you end up choosing.

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

Oh and here is some info regarding the MMR no longer being available seperate, and some choices that parents have.

http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

This book was really helpful to me in planning what to get when & what are important things to know about each vaccine. It's NOT an anti-vax book, it's just about educating yourself, I have really been glad to have it for reference.

http://www.amazon.com/Doctor-About-Childrens-Vaccinations-ebook/dp/B001I3BQUQ

Agreed, this is another fantastic book, I often forget to suggest.

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

Biologically, I think almost everything such as auto immune diseases, mental illness, and other issues, such as autism, all have a genetic AND environmental factor to them. Sure both parents may not display anything resembling the disease, but they may be carriers and given the proper environmental triggers it can set anything off. It's basic Mendelian genetics combined with other environmental and hormonal factors.

Here's an example....No one in my family has any auto immune diseases that we know of. I have lupus. They believe there to be a genetic predisposition, but how if my family has nothing indicating it?? Well, I was always a sickly kid with other diseases (severe asthma, anatomical issues, etc) and my bet is that with one of those it triggered my immune system to go crazy and start attacking my own body, therefore triggering my lupus to become activated.

I definitely agree with this. I too have lupus and when it was discovered my parents were both shocked because they are both healthy and fine. They offered to do genetics testing on both of them but decided it wasn't worth it.

Before getting pregnant with Isabella I saw a genetics counselor to see what the chances of Isabella (or any kids I had) would have or getting Lupus, or any other sort of auto-immune disease would be.